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Raising the Humble Chicken (Culture)

By PorcoRosso
Thu Apr 29th, 2004 at 10:14:29 PM EST

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For the last two summers I have maintained a flock of chickens. The results have been ... interesting. More eggs than I could eat, interesting evenings, and a freezer full of what I consider very healthy meat. I plan to share my experiences in this article with the hope that somebody might be inspired to raise a small flock.


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Reasonings

With the questionable safety of the meat products available at the grocery store, my wife and I decided that we should try to create a supply for ourselves. We had four acres of property and minimal cash to spend, so large animals like pigs or cows would be out of the question. We decided that something like rabbits or chickens would work out well. We ruled out rabbits (for the time being) for several reasons including higher maintenance, higher initial costs, and the fact that I had already raised rabbits as a kid.

We settled on chickens for the following reasons:

  • There is a lot of information available on the web
  • They are cheap to purchase
  • They can provide both meat and eggs
  • You can let them roam around so their poop isn't concentrated in one place

We were surprised by a few unexpected benefits:

  • Insect control - our small flocks of chickens eliminated most of the pest insects around the house.
  • Greener grass - the chickens' scratching removed the dead undergrowth and mixed in their poop. They also liked to eat small weed seedlings and dandelions.
  • Entertainment - chickens are just goofy and amusing to watch.

Acquisition

Our plan was to pick up a small flock of chicks in the spring, raise them to egg producing age, collect the eggs, and then butcher them when it starts to get cold.

You can purchase chickens through the mail order or through a local feed mill. Other less desirable options include county fairs or a local farm. I prefer a local feed mill.

When buying through a feed mill, you can look at the chicks to get an idea of their health. Often, you will get one or two chicks that will die through mail order. A fair will get you good chicks, but they usually are scheduled for the summer. You won't get eggs until well into the next spring.

Farms that have chicks are few and far between nowadays. Most hens have had the brooding instinct bred out of them. You might have good luck if you can find a farm that keeps antique breeds.

You can buy sexed chicks or straight run. Buy sexed hens. You probably do not want any roosters - they are loud, and if you have more than one, they will fight to the death once mature. Some folks buy twice as many straight run chicks and butcher the roosters once they start crowing or fighting. I just buy hens. Some people will try to tell you that you won't get eggs without a rooster. This is a myth. An egg is produced by the chicken's menstruation cycle. You only need a rooster to help produce chicks.

We buy our chicks on St. Patrick's day. That way, we can calculate how old they are (usually they are already 2-3 days old). This will put egg production starting around the beginning of August. Hens start producing eggs at 18-20 weeks.

To get started (assuming 12 chickens) you will need the following:

  • Chicks - $15/dozen
  • Water fountain - $3
  • Starter feed - $10/25 lbs
  • Feeder - $3
  • A small pen - an old laundry basket works well, cardboard box will work until it gets wet
  • Heater light - $15
  • Wood shavings - $5/bale (no sawdust - it can cause respiratory problems)
  • Possibly two clean 1-quart glass canning jars for the water fountain and the feeder - one of your relatives is bound to have these laying around.

In all, you are looking at about $50ish dollars to get started. These supplies will last for about a month. The food shouldn't run out and the equipment shouldn't wear out. Your chickens will outgrow it.  During that month, you will need to buy/make the following:

  • Full size feeder - $7-10
  • Full size water fountain - $7-10
  • More food - $10/25 lbs
  • 5 bales of wood shavings - $25
  • 3 5-gallon buckets - free or $5-8 at a home center
  • A 4'x8' chicken coop - as much as you want to spend

The coop is probably the biggest sticking point. Our first year, I just caged off a part of our garage. We only had four chickens. The next year, I built a coop out of scrap lumber and some corrugated roofing purchased at the home center. You can google for plans. The following are some suggestions based on my experience.

Make the coop 4'x8'. Chickens need 2 square feet each and plywood comes in 4'x8' sheets. This will minimize cutting and waste. Create a post and beam structure. Basically 4 upright posts with a rim of wood around it. Create a shed roof. A shed roof is easy. Do not use treated lumber or anything you wouldn't want to eat yourself. I had the great idea of using rigid foam insulation. 12 chickens had a 4'x8' sheet picked to nothing in three days. Find a nice 4'x1" thick branch to use as a roost on the high end of your shed.

You probably also want to use some leftover plywood to create a ramp up to the roost. Make sure you have some footholds on the ramp so your chickens don't slip (basically, some thin strips of wood spaced approximately 3"-4" apart).

Make sure that the coop can be closed securely at night. Do some research online, get some construction books at the library. This is an easy project that a beginner can tackle in a weekend or two.

Care

So you have the initial supplies and a bunch of peeping chicks - now what?

Once you get everything home, find a quiet place away from dogs/cats/small children/whatever for your new chicks to reside. The area should be free from drafts and readily cleanable. These guys are messy. Make sure that there is nothing that the chicks can get hurt on if they get out. Once they start escaping, it is time for the coop.

Set your pen on the floor, place 1-2 inches of wood shavings down, and fill their food and water. Go ahead and put the chicks in while you set up your heat lamp. Chicks tend to be self-regulating as far as the heat lamp is concerned. Place it so that they can get totally under it but also be able to back away entirely. You shouldn't have to bother with a thermometer with this type of setup.

Check their water and food at least twice daily. Fresh, cool, clean water is the most important thing for chickens. Keep their litter clean. I usually will dump it on the compost bin every other day. One bale of shavings should last until they are ready to go outside.

Once the chicks get most of their feathers in or are consistently escaping from their pen, it's time to go outside. You got that coop done, right? Use several bags of wood shavings and fill the floor to 6"-8". This litter will need to be raked to mix in the poop once a week (or when it starts to smell) and replaced around once a month (or when mixing doesn't fix the smell any more). Get the chickens out early in the morning and you may be able to last longer. The used litter makes a great mulch for your garden. Once it gets out in the open, it won't smell anymore. I use it under shrubs and raspberry bushes.

You will probably still have most of your bag of food left from the indoor days. Use it until they eat it all. Once it is gone, you will want to buy "grower" food. It has less protein than the chick food. After one bag, move on to "finisher".

One note on food: Keep it sealed airtight always. The first year I simply rolled up the bag and kept it in the garage. I had a huge infestation of moths that lasted for over a year. Since then, I buy 1-gallon ziploc freezer bags and divide the entire bag into these. One bag will usually fill the adult feeder, so this works well.

Keep the heat lamp in the coop until you see that the chicks don't use it any more.

Once outside, check their water and food levels. I find that I need to fill/change them both every other day as they grow to adult size. A 25 lb bag of food will last around two weeks once they get to adolescent size. Let them run outside as much as possible. Bugs are free food!

Chickens like to be let out early and will come home to roost around dusk. Once they are all inside, you will want to secure them for the night. This should keep them safe from raccoons, dogs, foxes, and other animals.

We have had some trouble with raccoons. People will trap them in the city and release them by our house. These animals can be very aggressive. I have had one growl at me through the screen door. We had a pack of three raccoons that I ended up having to trap and euthanize.

With any luck, August should roll around and you should have a dozen healthy, amusing animals running around. One morning while checking food and water, you will find a little egg in a small depression. The egg will be really small - it's called a pullet egg. It is fine to eat and will be followed by larger eggs. Our Rhode Island Reds consistently gave us double-yolked eggs and some triples!

Once you see the first egg, take your three 5-gallon buckets and fill them to the top with clean wood shavings and place them upright and out of the way (not under the roost) in the coop. They will use them for nesting boxes. You will need one bucket for four chickens. My chickens preferred buckets over the nesting boxes I built. The birds will kick out what they don't want. If they don't seem to be too interested, you can scoop out a couple of inches and make a small depression (like a nest). You will sometimes find three full size chickens squeezed into one bucket.

Check for eggs a little after you let them out in the morning and before you put them in for the night. At full production, you should get around 10 eggs/day. The eggs will keep in the refrigerator for 6 months - no joke. We put a basket in the fridge, and collected enough eggs to last until February. We also gave a lot away.

I find fresh eggs to be really strong so I let them sit in the fridge around 1 month and they start tasting like store bought eggs.

Final Disposition

Eggs are real nice to have, but with the cooler weather and shorter days that autumn brings, egg production will start waning. Once spring comes and the days get longer, they will molt their feathers and will not produce eggs until well into the summer.

Because we don't want to take care of chickens in the freezing winter as well as pay for heating and food when they aren't producing eggs, we butcher the entire flock around the beginning of November.

We have found a small farm that specializes in butchering poultry and rabbits. They charge about $1 per bird. I have done butchering in the past, but the mess is worth a dollar a bird. We drop the birds off Sunday night and pick up the meat Monday night.

The meat is very flavorful. It is, however, very easy to overcook as water (and who knows what else) is not injected into the meat. I recommend doing a slow-cook casserole-type dish.

Euthanasia

One of the more difficult things to deal with is what to do with a sick or injured bird. Usually the most humane thing to do is quick euthanization. Often, if chicks are sick, they will succumb before you can do anything. Other times they will pop back and be fine. I don't usually euthanize a chick unless they have a broken leg or wing. The quickest solution is to wrap the body in a towel and decapitate quickly with a sharp knife. That is really the worst case scenario and I hate putting down chicks.

Decapitation is usually best for adult birds, too. Last year I had a rooster (sometimes you will get one even though you buy all hens) who broke his leg. He was limping around when I found him and you could see the bone trying to work it's way out of the skin. I quickly placed him in a paper grocery bag, dug a hole in the back lot and placed the bag in it. When I had summoned up enough guts, I opened the bag enough to let his head through. When he popped his head through, I popped it off with my .22 rifle (garden branch shears work well, too). He flopped around for a little while (hence the bag). Once he was done, I filled in the hole, went inside and cried.

Conclusions

Chickens are a very enjoyable animal to have around. The gentle clucking is very comforting to listen to and their antics are enjoyable to watch.

If you can stomach some of the unpleasantries involved, the chicken can provide a good source of healthy food for your family.

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Chickens?
o Never 0%
o Certainly 13%
o Too much work 8%
o I won't eat animals 8%
o Perhaps 18%
o I don't have enough land 26%
o Zoning restrictions 8%
o I'll just go to KFC 10%
o Get lost, hayseed 4%

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Eggs through winter, it's definitely possible! (none / 0) (#170)
by Chakotay on Tue May 11th, 2004 at 05:25:02 AM EST
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Kind of a late reply, but I hope there will still be people who read this :)

My parents have had chickens for as long as I can remember. Usually they have two or three hobby breed hens with a matching rooster for the fun and the occasional eggs, and two or three "professional" brown leghorn hens for consistent egg prodution.

We kept them in a coop of about 1m square, with a window in one side, a large door in another side, and a small chicken door in the third side. Along the backside (with no doors or windows) we put a plank at about 50cm height (with a chicken ladder leading up to it) and a roost above it - the plank will catch the excrements and needs to be cleaned once every month or so. Under the plank, we put the nesting boxes.

Anyway, we used to have a 10m square run delimited by 1m50 tall chicken gauze - until we had a VERY tame white leghorn who consistently broke out, roosted on the top of the coop, walked all around the garden, and even into our living room! It was great fun to see the chicken running around the garden, the cat chasing it, and the dog chasing the cat :) It stayed in the run after we put up another meter or so of chicen gauze...

And then we had a family of buzzards coming to dine on our chickens once in a while... In three years, we lost six chickens and three roosters to them - the roosters all died defending their chickens from the attacking carnivourous birds. So we put a "roof" on the run with a net. But once every while a buzzard would find a way to get into the run anyway, and feast on one of the small hobby chickens... Never the leghorns - they were too big for their tastes.

So now my parents have two brown leghorns, and two large black chickens - even larger than the leghorns - that lay green eggs (great for Easter!). And an impressive black rooster to go with them - the beast is so big that it could peck at your balls without even sticking its head out too far - luckily, it's a very gentle beast, not agressive at all, but it doesn't too much like the dog though.

Anyway, so how do they manage to get eggs in winter, even in the Netherlands, where the winters are cold and wet, and the days in winter are very short? Easy: a lamp with a timer inside the coop. Time it such that it switches on at dusk, off again at around 22h, on again at around 5h or 6h, and off again at dawn. You won't get the full egg a day deal, but 3 to 4 eggs per chicken per week is a good average.

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Minimum purchases (none / 0) (#168)
by A55M0NKEY on Thu May 6th, 2004 at 09:03:17 PM EST
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Were do you get your chicks? The only internet hatcheries I've found require a minimum of 25 chicks. I'd like to get a few more black stars, since we got 4 males and one female.
"Huh huh huh" - Butthead
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Just got some chicks myself. (none / 1) (#161)
by A55M0NKEY on Tue May 4th, 2004 at 04:51:53 PM EST
(urushio1DESPAMINATEME@yahoo.com) http://goatse.cx

I've never raised chickens, but my wife just got some mail order ones so we will be raising them for the first time this year.

I am very suprised you don't like fresh eggs! I remember them from when I was eight years old ( which was the last time I ever tasted them. ) The yolks are ORANGE not the pale washed out yellow of store bought eggs. Strong? I wouldn't say they're strong, only yummier.

Anyways, she bought a variety pack w/some Rhode island reds & black stars and also some japanese bantams. I wonder if the bantams will lay tiny eggs. Might make good ( bite sized ) pickled eggs. We'll see..

Good story by the way.
"Huh huh huh" - Butthead
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Awesome story (none / 1) (#150)
by JackStraw on Mon May 3rd, 2004 at 03:28:06 AM EST
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Of all the articles on kuro5hin, these do-it-yourself type articles are always my favorites. Whenever I can't find anything useful on google, I turn to kuro5hin, and there always seems to be a perfect article--whether on weight lifting, computer programming, or chicken growing.

Thanks for writing something non-political and really interesting!


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The taste of fresh raw eggs (none / 1) (#147)
by krkrbt on Mon May 3rd, 2004 at 12:31:49 AM EST
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I find fresh eggs to be really strong so I let them sit in the fridge around 1 month and they start tasting like store bought eggs.

Store bought eggs?  Why would you want them to taste like those?  I know - you probably cook your eggs, and that'd be the source of the problem.  There's nothing I enjoy more than a half-dozen fresh free-range/bug-fed raw eggs.

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mostly ... (none / 0) (#156)
by PorcoRosso on Mon May 3rd, 2004 at 01:26:14 PM EST
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i just find them too strong to eat by themselves. I gagged on a fresh, hard boiled egg and couldn't eat it. Scrambled w/a little cheese was fine, and I could tell a positive difference in cooking - esp. anything that needed a lot of yolks (the yolks from our eggs were vivid orange) ... I am very picky as to what I eat.

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If not for taste... (none / 0) (#154)
by Deagol on Mon May 3rd, 2004 at 11:56:20 AM EST

Then for the ease of peeling hard-boiled eggs.

Your average store-bough eggs have been sitting around for weeks (probably even months). In that time, they loose water and the inner membrane surrounding the egg pulls back from the shell. Hard boiled store-bought eggs are relatively easy to peel.

However, fresh eggs (anything under a month old, in my book) are a major pita to peel. :)

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I read this story... (none / 2) (#146)
by skyknight on Sun May 2nd, 2004 at 08:27:15 PM EST

with more interest than I have read any K5 story for a long time. Great work. Now if only I didn't live on the 11th floor of an apartment building...

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wow, I really enjoyed that piece (none / 1) (#144)
by davros4269 on Sun May 2nd, 2004 at 03:20:15 PM EST

If I didn't live in the city I'd really consider trying this.

Does anyone know the details of what goes into chicken food, especially the protein? Is it plant-based protein?

I'd like to raise animal protein, but do it using as little animal protein as food as possible. I've read that per acre, veggies are much better at resource utilization and that animals are comparatively very wasteful...

If I retire to the country to become a philosopher, can I raise chickens, say, from mixing lawn clippings with earthworms and drying into pellets or something?? Oh, and I can I do it "safely", or, will it reduce the quality of the meat? I have no desire to feed chickens feathers and blood...
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The good and the bad (none / 0) (#152)
by Deagol on Mon May 3rd, 2004 at 11:35:19 AM EST

Chicken feed usually comes in a few varieties.

First, you have "chick starter" for (unsurprisingly) baby chicks. This stuff is pulverized grains with other protein sources added. Unless you look very hard (and we've never looked hard enough ourselves), chick starter usually comes "medicated". There's some substance that prevents disease (I don't know if it's antibiotic or not). Then there's some additive that's "addictive" (according to the feed store staff) to make the chicks consume more food. Remember, nearly everything you buy at feed mills (at least the pre-bagged stuff from Purina or other vendors) is targetted towards a more-or-less commercial endeavor. My wife were appalled by the idea of intentially hooking baby chicks on an addictive substance, but you only need the stuff for the first few weeks of their lives, so we let it pass (for now).

Once they're no longer "chicks" you have low- and high-protein feed and "laying ration". These come in the form of "mash" (pulverized stuff), "crumbles" or "crumbs" (stuff the size and consistency of Grape Nuts cereal), and "pellets" (looks like small rabbit or hamster pellet feed). The purely feed stuff is for fattening up meat birds, or simply maintaining adult birds. The laying ration is formulated with extra calcium and phoshorus for egg production. Aside from various grains in these mixes, there is inevitably animal protein of sorts like blood and bone meal. This is reality, as captive chickens need high-protein protein foods.

Then you have "hen scratch" or "scratch grains", which is usually a combination of wheat, corn, and sorghum, usually the corn being cracked while the others are whole (being small anyway).

While the fomulas are considered "complete" (in fact, research shows that mixing in other stuff like scratch grains disrupts the optimal balance of nutrients, reducing overall feed conversion), we like to add variety to our birds' food rotation. So we treat them to scratch grains, whole oats (usually sold for horses), and "cob" (rolled Corn, Oats, & Barley) or "sweet feed" ("cob" mixed with molasses). They also get to graze in warm months in the chicken tractor, getting fresh greens and bugs/worms.

I found this excellent site with a ton of great links about poultry feed and practices.

Concerning the veggie vs meat efficiency argument... On one hand, it is correct. I think we've all seen that energy "pyramid" from high-school biology, where each succeeding level has 1/10th the energy mass of the previous level (for example, to yield 1 ton of whale meat, it had to consume 10 tons of krill, which, in turn, had to consume 100 tons of algae). So, the argument goes, if that's the case, people would be better off utilizing the 100 tons of algae for food than the 1 ton of whale meat.

I personally believe that the argument is a valid, sound one. However, it doesn't take into account the idea that many animals, particularly ruminants, can utilize food that're just not compatible (or downright unpalatable) for humans. Cattle, goats, deer, and other ruminants can turn high-cellulose foods, worthless as people food, into meat that we can consume. Properly managed in areas where human food crops are not practical, raising such meat animals would seem, to me, a very efficient practice.

And, as PorcoRosso hints at, major inefficiencies are introduced for the mass production of crops. I'll save some space here and not get into sustainable, permaculture practices of food raising. Modern farming can do a lot more to "close the loop" than they do now, but that would cost more. I've read in several sources that in a well-balanced system, all of the necessary food for a complete diet for an adult human (meat and veggies) can be grown in something like 1-to-2 acres. For reference, a city block (1/8th of a mile squared) is exactly 10 acres. I read part of a book (before I lost it) called Five Acres and Independence, which goes into detail. Using more recent high-yeild practices like those of Joel Salatin and in Square Foot Gardening, I believe you can get land requirements down to 1/4 to 1/2 an acre per person.

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excellent book ... (none / 0) (#157)
by PorcoRosso on Mon May 3rd, 2004 at 01:30:40 PM EST
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5 Acres and Independance is excellent ... another really good one is Solar Gardening: Growing Vegetables Year-Round the American Intensive Way

Listen to Deagol, he obviosly has more experience at this than I ... Thanks for the insights, Deagol :) You've handed me back much to absorb.

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most is grain (none / 0) (#145)
by PorcoRosso on Sun May 2nd, 2004 at 04:49:30 PM EST
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Most of the feed is just cracked grain (I'd look at the ingredients if I had a bag) ... I wouldn't feed them other chicken parts, It ain't too cool to eat relatives :/

You probably want to stick with feed, but by letting them roam around in the garden/field/woods wherever, the will pick up a lot of bugs and plant material that will sigificantly cut the feed consumption. They are really good at scrounging for food (at least the breeds that I've kept).

They also sometimes like kitchen scraps, but I would not leave something like that out for long as other local critters do, too (esp. city critters) ...

You could probably keep 1 or 2 small bantam hens in the city. I wouldn't show 'em off to the neighbors, but you could keep them from being pests, they have to be quieter than some of the macaws and whatnot that people keep.

Maybe you could make a little "chicken tractor" (see comments below) so they could go in your yard to pick for food without being pests.

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we DO have bugs, lol (none / 0) (#149)
by davros4269 on Mon May 3rd, 2004 at 12:45:11 AM EST

Thanks man, I'll consider that - not likely this year, we are moving shortly, but I may just try it in the city after all...

The thing with grain - I'm concerned about the land space the grain takes vs feeding it to animals instead of direct consumption. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a purist or anything, I eat meat with the best of them, and plenty of it ;)

But if ever raise an animal in numbers, which I'd like to do at some point, I want the food product to be almost as efficient as if the grain would be directly consumed by me instead of through the chicken, if that makes sense...

If they get enough protein from woods, say, fenced in to keep critters out, do they need grain to be healthy, or, can they get enough from weeds? What if their diet is mostly protein? What if I raise crickets or worms on waste from another project, and then feed the worms/crickets to the chickens?

I don't know if worms can take chicken poop, I know they don't like dog and cat poop, which is too bad, since I have plenty of it ;) I wonder if raising worms on yard waste, chicken poop and house scraps would produce enough worms to significantly offset the grain the chickens need, say, by a factor of 2/3 or something?
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well ... (none / 0) (#151)
by PorcoRosso on Mon May 3rd, 2004 at 07:28:53 AM EST
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It seems to me that the assumption that meat is more energy consumptive is valid only with the way most farms are run (chemical fertilizer, etc.)

I would think that if everything is composted (I mean everything) that the energy goes back into the land and closes the cycle.

If we can get our house sold soon, we plan to experiment with this lifestyle, so there will probably be a couple of articles that spring from the experiences.

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We're trying that, too (none / 0) (#153)
by Deagol on Mon May 3rd, 2004 at 11:47:11 AM EST

I bought the 2nd Edition of the Humanure Book about 9 months ago. We built, and began using, a bucket-based toilette system based on plans in the book. This was about 6 months ago. We figured that if we can shovel and place cow, rabbit, and chicken crap into the compost bin, we may as well add our as well.

Plus, we get that warm fuzzy feeling of saving a few gallons of potable water each time we "contribute" to the compost bin. As Utah is the 2nd dryest state in the country (Nevada being #1) in its 6th year of drought, that means a lot to us.

Yeah, it might give some people the heebie-jeebies, the thought of having to deal with their own shit, but ponder this:

The author of the aforementioned book likes to repeatedly point out the harsh reality that each of us (in more "civil" nations) piss/crap in 20 or more gallons of drinkable water each and every day. How's that for an absurd notion? No wonder so many 3rd World citizens hold us with such contempt.

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how has it worked out? (none / 0) (#155)
by PorcoRosso on Mon May 3rd, 2004 at 01:21:59 PM EST
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We will be moving and using the bucket loo for a while while we build a house for ourselves. Any experiences you'd like to share?

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This is the best online discussion... (2.25 / 4) (#139)
by Futurepower on Sat May 1st, 2004 at 02:19:20 PM EST
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This is the best online discussion I have ever seen! Many people contributed interesting observations. There was little anger.

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Actually, (1.20 / 5) (#137)
by benxor on Sat May 1st, 2004 at 08:51:48 AM EST
http://cracksmokingducks.com

It's a 'peep' of chickens, not a flock. Or a clutch of chicks, ... YOU FUCKING PHILISTINE!!!@@!!!#!!! =P

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Brining. (2.83 / 6) (#126)
by SnowBlind on Fri Apr 30th, 2004 at 05:59:23 PM EST

You need to brine the chicken before cooking, that will fix the overcooking problem. 3/4 cup salt per gallon, soak for a couple of hours or so.

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Chickens for the yellow alert (2.83 / 6) (#125)
by mcgrew on Fri Apr 30th, 2004 at 05:31:41 PM EST
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A dollar a bird for cleaning? Geez, that's a great price.

My grandparents had a small farm, and I still feel the sting of the boiling-hot feathers as we kids helped Grandma pluck the chickens.

But first she would chop their heads off, and this was a great performance. The head would lay on the stump with its eyes blinking and its beak opening and closing as if it were trying to scream, while the body ran down the hill flapping its wings until it collapsed.

A friend of mine now has a small animal farm, with chickens, pigs, and turkeys (and dogs and a goat). He say sthese are the last of the pigs, as the feed has skyrocketed.

I loved the fresh eggs Grandma made, and when I visit Mike I make sure he fries a couple for me. I can barely eat store-bought eggs; they're tasteless as a store-bought tomato.

Having your own hens has two advantages you didn't mention, both related to the abysmal state of the filthy corporate farmed animals. In the US ("Lousiana- Third world and proud of it"), because of the corporate farms' filthy conditions, one in three chickens and eggs have salmonella. Your chickens won't.

If you like your steak rare, try frying rare chicken.

And, if you have a hangover you can make real eggnog. Take three egg yolks and put them in a glass, add milk, sugar, and (optionally) cinnamon and nutmeg, and stirr well.

The yolk of a chicken egg contains an emzyme that will rid you of your hangover, so long as you also drink a glass of water as well (some hangover symptoms are actually symptoms of dehydration).

This emzyme is destroyed by heat, so the pasteurized eggnog you buy in the store will have no effect whatever on your hangover. It doesn't taste as good, either.

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how would you know... (none / 1) (#132)
by r1chard on Fri Apr 30th, 2004 at 09:15:31 PM EST
http://au.geocities.com/r1chardgreen

how would you know if you got your own birds back or someone elses ? :) RG

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aww (2.50 / 4) (#108)
by reklaw on Fri Apr 30th, 2004 at 11:37:40 AM EST
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We have found a small farm that specializes in butchering poultry and rabbits. They charge about $1 per bird. I have done butchering in the past, but the mess is worth a dollar a bird. We drop the birds off Sunday night and pick up the meat Monday night.

If I'd been keeping chickens for that long then... well... I wouldn't want to do that. It'd be like making your dog into a roast dinner or something.

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MLP (none / 0) (#127)
by nooper on Fri Apr 30th, 2004 at 06:15:22 PM EST
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it can be hard (none / 1) (#112)
by PorcoRosso on Fri Apr 30th, 2004 at 12:42:52 PM EST
http://www.silpon.com

You have to go into it with the "as nice as they are they are food" attitude. It makes you appreciate what you eat more. It's also easier when you find a hen scratching up and pooping on the roof of your nice shiny car ;)

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Chickens are okay. Quail are better (3.00 / 6) (#106)
by gibichung on Fri Apr 30th, 2004 at 11:17:09 AM EST

Chickens are nice birds, but you can't match the economy of the big farms. Not even close.

If you want the same experience, more or less, but with a lot less costs and space, you can always raise quail. You could keep a half-dozen breeder hens and three cocks in a little all-wire cage. With the right breed, six hens would probably lay 30-35 eggs per week. With one incubator and 3-4 cages, you could raise two dozen birds every three weeks for meat and still have plenty of eggs left over. You could do it all in your back yard, or even in your garage. They don't really smell as long as you have good ventilation and clean up every couple days.

I did this for years as a kid, so I have a few tips. First, they won't lay eggs under natural light. You'll need a timed light bulb that you can put together for $10 at any hardware store. You can keep baby chicks together when they're little, but as they get bigger, try and partition them up into smaller groups or they'll bunch up and die at night. Adults don't seem to have this problem, but I still wouldn't recommend putting more than a dozen or so together. Do 2-3 hens to each cock. Build your cages out of wire. Obviously, you'll need to use small gauge for small birds. Quail don't need much headroom. If you use plywood put it on the outside of the cage, beyond the wire walls. Round off the corners, and don't put heating lamps right in the corner and space them out if you use more than one. Use lined pans to catch droppings. Slant the floor in breeder cages and make a provision for an egg-catch. Use external feeders. The worst predators are domestic cats.

When you start, like someone below said, you're better off buying birds right before they're to be slaughtered for a number of reasons. Find someone who sells the meat and ask him if he would mind saving a few live birds for you. You'll get the picks of the brood for probably less per bird than the meat. Avoid the "gamey" breeds like the bob white; use common quail. We called them "Pharoahs" but I think they're usually called Japanese or Coturnix. They lay a lot more eggs and are much tamer.

Try them. If you don't like it, you can always eat 'em.

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That's what I've read (none / 0) (#116)
by Deagol on Fri Apr 30th, 2004 at 01:35:01 PM EST

My wife would like to try quail some day, just for the reasons you outline. From what I've read, the feed-to-meat ratio is much more favorable than chickens. I just can't fathom how you'd dress a quail, though -- chickens are hard enough, and it's easy to get your hand up into a chicken to scoop out the various innards.

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Feed to meat ratio (none / 0) (#122)
by gibichung on Fri Apr 30th, 2004 at 02:58:57 PM EST

It isn't better than chickens. Nothing is better than chickens. The feed for game birds is also more expensive.

Dressing them is real easy, just like a chicken. Use your fingers instead of your hands. I'm not sure what the problem would be.

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Reptiles? (none / 0) (#158)
by Anonymous Hiro on Tue May 4th, 2004 at 12:29:09 PM EST

The feed to meat ratio should be better with most reptiles.</